2013 GS Pay Raise for Federal Civilian Workers

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[Update April 2013 - President Obama rescinds pay 2013 GS pay rise] Well it looks the 2013 GS pay raise debacle took another turn with the President signing a new executive order that continued the freeze on pay adjustments for federal civilian employees and those on the GS schedule. This was after a 0.5% raise was initially approved (see previous update below), but was superseded with the latest executive order. The final 2013 pay table is shown below.

The latest executive order (issued March 26, 2013) also stated that any increase in pay schedules should not be made until after December 31, 2013. Which means that federal employees can expect no potential pay raises this year unless they get a promotion or within grade step increase.

2014 GS pay raise and updated scales now available in this article.

2013 GS Pay Table No Raise from 2012 2013 GS Pay Raise for Federal Civilian Workers

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[Jan 2013 update following fiscal cliff deal and executive order] The fiscal cliff deal passed in Congress and brokered by Vice President Joe Biden, Senate leaders Harry Reid (Democrat) and Mitch McConnell (Republican) contains provisions to lift the three year federal employee pay freeze. Under the agreed deal the current pay freeze for government workers on the GS scale will be lifted, along with incoming members of Congress.

Per the President’s executive order signed in late December, federal employees can expect a 0.5 percent pay raise in 2013 after the budget freeze expires on March 27, 2013.

But a pay raise is not a done deal with Republican legislator Michael G. Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.) getting a bill passed in the house that would continue the GS pay freeze through the end of 2013.

2013 GS schedule 0.5 percent pay rise 2013 GS Pay Raise for Federal Civilian Workers

I will continue to provide updates to the GS pay tables with final pay raise details as the relevant bills pass through Congress and encourage you to subscribe (free) via email to get the latest updates

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[Dec 2012 Update] Unfortunately it looks like there will no GS pay raise in 2013 following the President’s signature of a Congress approved six-month government spending measure (continuing resolution). The resulting budget freeze at 2012 levels means federal employees and members of Congress will not see a pay rise or salary bump until April 2013 at the earliest. President Obama had recommended a 0.5% pay raise for federal workers in 2013, conditional on Congress passing a budget. This clearly did not happen - which meant the multi-year GS pay freeze was extended. Individual employees on the GS scale still remain eligible for raises if they receive promotions, step increases or performance awards. Below is the 2013 GS pay table, which is the same as 2012 and 2011.

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[Update] The 2013 pay raise for GS pay scale based workers is up in the air with the House Appropriations Committee (responsible for the house federal budget proposal) advancing a spending bill that does not contain a pay raise for federal workers in 2013. This is in contrast to the 0.5% proposal (see update below) that the President had proposed.

The house bill containing the annual federal pay raise proposal is known as the Financial Services and General Government spending bill. The Senate’s version of the annual appropriations legislation also omitted language on federal pay raises in 2013. The lack of provisions for a raise in both the House and Senate bill does not necessarily mean federal workers will not get a pay hike in 2013. In fact the president has the authority to determine a raise based on the Employment Cost Index if Congress fails to explicitly block a pay raise.

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[Mar 2012] In his 2013 budget, President Obama is calling for a 0.5% federal employee pay raise after two years of no increases. The proposed raise has to be approved by Congress and is likely to be bitterly opposed by Republicans, who control the House, and want no further increases in government spending until the national debt is cut.

Rep. Dennis A. Ross (R-Fla.), who chairs a House subcommittee overseeing the federal workforce, called the pay plan “pure politics” and labeled Obama “a public sector union puppet” for making the proposal. “Federal employees are paid better, receive better benefits and enjoy unparalleled job security, compared to their private sector counterparts,” Ross said in a statement. (Washington Post)

Some rank-and-file federal workers said Friday that the proposed raise is nominal at best and that they think they’ve sacrificed enough. For an average federal employee the raise would be equivalent to an  additional $500 annually — less than $20 per paycheck, before taxes.

The 0.5% raise is still well below the 3.6% COLA increase for 2012 and 2% private sector pay increase in 2011. Military members received a 1.6% pay rise for 2012.

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James January 8, 2014 at 10:25 pm

Congress is exempt from all of the budget cuts, staff reductions, and pay freezes-there will always be 435 House seats and 100 senators regardless of the budget unless constituition is amended.

The rhetoric about saving money and reducing deficit should start with them. They would be more respected if they voted themselves a pay cut/freeze and reduced benefits package every time a pay cut/RIF measure to GS and WG federal workers is passed. Most of congress members are already millionaires via lobbyist donations, so they wouldn’t be homeless if a 10% pay cut was passed for them.

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Mark August 27, 2013 at 5:48 pm

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west August 20, 2013 at 6:51 pm

Congress should only be getting pay raises voted upon by the people of the state THEY BELONG TO AND WORK FOR. Not be able to vote themselves a pay raise. I would vote myself a raise every time.. Great leadership at the top don’t do as I do ….

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Geri August 16, 2013 at 4:11 am

Really!!! I’m a federal worker and I can’t see how congress or anyone else in Washington can not give us a raise!!! I take care of vets and I love my job very much!! My guys are the best I enjoy taking care of then!!! However , I should not have to struggle like I do because my company and my government feels we should not have a raise!!! Foul!!! Everything cost more , my company feels only certain people can have money!!!!!! Sad

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Military wife August 1, 2013 at 4:18 pm

Congress should have cut themselfes before cutting any of us!! I would have been less pissed off if they had have given up one of their days a week rather than cutting many of us GS employees first. It is so sad to think they are earning over $100,000 a year and can retire on that (not like the military who get half pay) yet they can cut people earning so much less. I guess they have to pay for their summer home in the Hamptons or on Martha’s Vineyard first!!!!

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Oregon Veterans Adm. September 29, 2013 at 3:33 pm

No kidding.

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jbs April 4, 2013 at 2:00 am

All this talk of GS scales make me sick however no one talks about the wage grades that still exsist.I am a ws10/3 and i am an hourly employee for 17 years,and need what little increases i can get.Everthing goes up and for the last 3 years we have had nothing to justify benifit increases.Yes i thank the good lord above for my job everyday yes everday.If you ask me what should be done,my request would be to stop buying all this equipment we don’t need as well as dod and other agencies stock piling things that sit around for years at enormous cost to all of us.Congress should be ashamed of all they take and or given.Those are the government workers that should not get increases not us.

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jbs April 4, 2013 at 2:05 am

Not to mention all the o/t cuts,hiring freezes,cut backs to my shop to the point that everyone in my shop are all on edge about our jobs future with all the micro managing driving us workers to anger.

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Concerned Citizen April 2, 2013 at 11:10 pm

Wow! So I know a GS 9 employee and he makes $54,000 a yr to mow the lawn at the facility I work at and he drives a government vehicle 45 minutes from the town he lives in to the location he works and we wonder why we are 16 trillion in debt. This just pisses me off!! How do people get away with this and he has been doing it for 25 years. Unbelievable!! We just sit back and let this shit happen….

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jbs April 4, 2013 at 2:15 am

Have you ever did landscaping before and this guy or girl would be stepped out at that amount so whats the problem.Theres alot of info. you didn’t add to your reaction.This person earned his job with the government such as i did.How old is this person and i know he didn’t walk into a gs9 step 10.Like i said he earned it.

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Reverend October 9, 2013 at 5:40 pm

Yes, all federal employees earned their jobs. And the sense of entitlement that goes with them.

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Take it March 26, 2013 at 4:25 pm

I’m just grateful we’ve had step increases, without the steps I wouldn’t have been able to make it, this year is my step 4 so I’m hoping after this .5% increase Obama will make good and at least step us up to 1.5-2% next year and that might cover the health care increase. Stay strong people, the worst is behind us.

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Military wife August 1, 2013 at 8:13 pm

Congrats on making step 4 but now you have to wait 2 years before you can make step 5….. I know as I am making step 5 this year after waiting 2 years!!! I thought it was every year you made a step but apparently not!

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G. Parker March 16, 2013 at 5:37 pm

I am a Vietnam era veteran. During my 6 years in the Air Force, I met and worked with several DSA workers which, I’m not sure, but probably similar to GSA. Most, but not all, were hard, competent workers. I’ve got to admit, the past few years, having seen or heard about incompetence, laziness, wasteful spending, excessively high wages and retirement income, and just bad things about the GS workers, has led me to a very negative bias toward them. I got curious, so I decided to take a look at the GS payscale to support my bias on high wages. I was surprised to see that the scale is probably pretty much aligned with the private sector at the lower grades, but possibly lower than larger companies at the higher grades. I do believe there are way too many government workers and that the numbers need to be reduced a lot (at least through attrition), not across the board, but strategically based on real value. We simply need a much smaller federal government doing the things that were meant by the Constitution to be done by that government. As for the competence levels, laziness, and waste, I don’t personally know, but if the story lines on the media are anywhere accurate, then the GSA’s act needs to be straighened up and turned around 180 degrees. A good housecleaning at the upper levels would be a good place to start; the little indians follow the lead of the chiefs.

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Adam June 25, 2013 at 1:30 pm

Well I’m a 10yrs Army Vet and faught in Afghanistan. With that said, I was released from the Military for medical and went to school and obtained my degree. I now work at the VA in the Cardiac Cath Lab, and I can tell you that I could be making about $5-$7 more and hour to work in the private sector doing the same job. I stay here because I feel I need to be here to help take care of my brothers and sisters who faught before me and beside me. I do see alot of wasteful spending from upper management and it desturbs me, but being a low man i have no power to fix this, and when I bring it to the attention of management, I get blown off.Congree and the Government as a whole should reduce its numbers. Why is it that we need so many greedy politicians to help run this country. Work half days, play golf and take vacations at the expense of the little people. When you make $120,000 a year it’s easy to not worry about a pay increase, but when you make $51,000 a year it’s worrisome. God bless all Vets and those who work hard to help them.

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Military wife August 1, 2013 at 4:21 pm

Well said and good on you for staying where you feel you are most needed. I am sure they appreciate all you do.

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Contractor trying to get FTE February 13, 2013 at 9:12 pm

i think part of the problem is too many contractors and not hiring them as FTE’s I have workedas a contractor for 7 years and while it is good money it is not stable. The government wastes a lot of money contracting out the work when if they hired the contractors they would cut the middle man out the contract companies thats keeping most of the profit and giving the worker less. I do know a lot of contractors that do not ever wanna be permanent but me it is more about stability. Having benefts. to give you an example the government pays the contract company 120,000 and the company pays the employee 60,000 thats 60,000 that could have been saved. Just hired the worker and you could even give then 65,000 or 70,000 and still save money. Thats my opinion.

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Rob August 29, 2013 at 5:49 pm

The difference between contractors and Civil Service is that when the job is done or there is no longer a requirement you can release the contractor. You are stuck with the GS till they retire or move somewhere else regardless of work load. With regards to pay, you forget to account for the overhead cost to the government. The cost is not just your salary, it is medical, TSP, the admin cost at OPM, etc…. Years ago, I would agree there was a large difference between true cost of a contractor and GS, but that has shrunk with the difference being with in 10% on average.

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john February 6, 2013 at 4:29 pm

Newbie needs to do his homework. Congress gets retirement checks based on much the same formula that we do. If what Newbie said was true, we might have congressmen that serve two years and retire forever. That does not happen.

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grouch April 5, 2013 at 12:11 am

…their retirement does match their pay of their last year on the job. That’s why we need to cut down their retirement just like they’re reducing ours. All federal employees should have the same rules applied from top to bottom. Furloughs of any length damages prospective retirees high 3. Congress should be exposed to the same reductions as well. But they’ll probably vote raises for them to cover it…they’re all lame anyway.

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rainman February 4, 2013 at 11:59 am

After 20 years, I am a GS-13 step 8 with the standard US COLA adjustment. My agency does operate 24/7/365 so occasionally the night/Sunday and holiday differentials kick in. That said, I am all for pairing down some of the cost problems. First, kill the double Sunday pay. This doesn’t apply to all agencies, but my agency allows that if you start work on a Sunday, regardless the hour, then the whole shift is considered Sunday. Ex: Sunday night starting at 11 PM and going to 7 AM Monday will get you all Sunday premium. So, if you worked the same shift starting Saturday night into Sunday…boom, 16 hours Sunday pay. It’s nice, but in the big picture, it’s baloney and could save hundreds of millions. Actually, I wouldn’t complain if the whole Sunday pay thing was written out of law. In this day and age…who cares? Next…my agency has variable GS managers at at the field office level, meaning some offices are run by 14s and some by 15s. These tiers should be normalized down to 14s, and the subordinate management accordingly downgraded. I’m sure something similar could be done at HQ. BTW, I am shooting myself in the foot here, but if it means that we keep the number of FTEs constant in my agency (which we need!), then I’m all for it. And lastly, someone please tell the President to STOP making Christmas Eve and any other non-holidays a holiday!! Do you know what this does to agency budgets, especially those open 24/7/365?! There is no money tied to those Executive Orders and it really hurts the bottom line! Sometimes it’s the little things that can add up, but nobody up there is THINKING…we just get across the board, “one size fits all” cuts and that’s asinine.

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Smokin January 30, 2013 at 6:42 pm

I don’t know about the the rest of the GS’ers., but I just lost another .45% on the bottom line of my paycheck. I guess the .5% increase (if it happens) will net me a whapping .05% bonus. YA YA

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Angela January 28, 2013 at 6:19 pm

I am very grateful for my job, I just got hired on as a GS 5 grade1 and I have to say with the freeze going on…I am very thankful for a job. There are not many jobs available out there in the Public sector, it is hard to get a job anywhre now days! I thank God for my job!

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Marty January 21, 2013 at 1:19 am

I am a GS-12 , it took me 24 years as a WG-8 then a WG-10 to GS-9 to Gs-11 to GS-12. I worked my rear end off to get to the level I am at now. I do not like the pay freeze we have had to endure but I still have a good job. I do not know where I would find another job that I could have worked for so long and expect to get a retirement like I have with this one. Everyone is hurting but you get what you work for, if you put in the time and are a hard worker, then look for the opportunities and you will find them. It might take longer but with the government you can expect a long tenure if you work hard.

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Newbie January 18, 2013 at 4:07 am

What irritates me is this statement associated with a .5% increase for federal workers; Under the agreed deal the current pay freeze for government workers on the GS scale will be lifted, along with incoming members of Congress. Are you serious, once your in congress your are eligible for an annual retirement equal to your last salarie even if you serve 2 years. After serving 20 years for my country in the sand box my largest benefit is tri-care. That benefit is diminishing with doubling the co-pays and 35% increases on prescriptions. The theory that government employees are raking it in is an insult. The fact that there are a minority of government employees receiving honest pay for less than stellar work is the truth, i.e., members of congress not serving the people, but serving their own self interest. In my opinion, this is a direct reflection of their leadership.

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Josephine January 17, 2013 at 4:17 pm

I have heard nothing concerning increasing the Locality Adjustment for the Federal government workers after 27 March 2013.
Do anyone know about if the Locality adjustment will also change?

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josephine January 22, 2013 at 11:17 pm

no, i haven’t.

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Gerg a fed January 16, 2013 at 6:26 pm

Hmmm, a half a percent increase added to the 2% loss for Social Security is still a net loss of 1.5% in take home no matter what GS level you are.

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CK April 11, 2013 at 2:35 pm

AMEN! I got a step increase this past January and it should have been a little bit of cash, but I make less now than I did in December!

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Deploying GS January 15, 2013 at 5:29 pm

People hear about the great GS system and how inflated pay is for work and are generally referring to many within the DC area. I retired from the Army as a Major after 22 years and am now a GS15 but I’m not in DC. I’m in a military unit that deploys to hot spots around the globe. I spent 6 years in DC while I was on active duty and saw much more than my share of lazy senior civilians- kicked back with their feet on the desk reading the paper while we pay for it. But those of us out in the field, particularly those in deployable positions in DOD are not doing that. We are putting in 50 and 60 hours a week, we are deploying to hostile fire zones and disaster areas for our pay. I’d ask you not to lump us with those minding a desk in DC.
My biggest frustration with the GS system is the good ole boy network when it comes to hiring. I’ve been applying for jobs – even at a lower paygrade – in another state for two years now. I have all the qualifications but the hiring system is designed to keep things in house. It’s very frustrating to apply for a job and then find out they had someone picked before they even advertised for the position or to see positions restricted – particularly in this economy – to people within a particular agency or location. Seems to me that the Office of Personnel Management has given up all of its authority to the rest of the government and now they just sit back and do nothing for the workers.

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Noemi Padin January 19, 2013 at 10:12 pm

Deploying GS- you could have not said it better. 500% AGREED!!!

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GS Fed January 14, 2013 at 5:07 pm

The truly sad thing is that Senior Executive Service and Presidential Appointees have been receiving their increases all along, as has Congress. Congress also receives incredible health benefits and retirement for life!!

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Deploying GS January 15, 2013 at 5:32 pm

Yea and to top it off, after Clinton eliminated Secret Service protection for life for Presidents after him – a great cost saving measure – Obama decided he and Bush need it anyway. So much for trimming the budget.

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Mac February 1, 2013 at 1:07 pm

I can’t speak for Congress, but the statement you made about Senior Executive Service and Presidential Appointees is false.

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jay808 January 9, 2013 at 5:50 pm

Wow! Mission accomplished…the middle class fighting the middle class. The wealthy can sit back and watch us destroy each other.

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Keith EMP March 6, 2013 at 10:26 pm

Remember who is making the Middle Class fight each other and blame the wealthy. It is the president. everything the counrty is facing right now is on his watch so he should be fixing it and not blaming the rich for their success.

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Military wife January 3, 2013 at 3:15 pm

GS GRADE REDUCTIONS: How can you tell retired military to stay retired and let others have a job. My husband retired 4/2011 after 24 years of service he was just 46 with 2 children under the age of 16 how can you tell him r anyone else to stay retired? We have a house payment, college to think about and other everyday bills etc. Just becaus eyou retire from the military does NOT mean to say you retire from life!

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Rik February 26, 2013 at 3:35 pm

Well put. Those who provide such commentary are obviously not well versed on military retirement pay. We will have to excuse their ignorance and keep moving forward.

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Eddie January 3, 2013 at 1:15 pm

Funny..I just got a step increase and my paycheck actually decreased by $13 compared to my last check. I understand the increase of OASDI taxes went from 4.2 to 6.2 percent, but I wasn’t expecting to actually earn less than I did two weeks ago.

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Frank January 3, 2013 at 12:37 pm

What benefit was gained in freezing federal works pay over the last two years? Answer: None
It was a pure political move, throwing a bone to the ultra left/right when they complained.

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GS GRADE REDUCTIONS January 2, 2013 at 8:42 pm

Some of you are right and some of you are wrong. I believe the higher grades need to be eliminated. GS 15 down to GS 13 all through our government. Taxpayers need a break. This will get the good old boys out of the federal system which most are retired military already getting a retirement check. If your retired stay retired and let others go to work that can’t get a federal job. The American people need to change the voting ballet to read like this, our representative cannot vote themselves a pay raise unless voted by the people in their state. If our politicians do not do their job we the people should have the right to fire them and move the next man up. This process will continue until the right person is doing the job right the first time. If and when the politicians leave office with just under 18 years they don’t qualify for their social security benefits until age 62 just like all others have to. The military higher ranking people need to be reduced by a lot. The general grades for every branch of service needs to be reduced to five of each grade per branch of service. Five four stars, five three star, five two star, five one stars. The enlisted grades need to be left in tack with an increase of the E-7 grades. The Sergeant Majors grades need to be reduced a lot all branches wide. They are dead weight because they are holding others up from getting promoted before they have to retire. If and when a soldier reaches 20 years and did not get to their next highest grade it should be an automatic retirement. That would be for every grade in every branch of service. The politicians need to take a reduced pay or get fired. The American people need to wake up and smell the mess our country is in. We the people as stated in our constatution.

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Mr. Reality January 3, 2013 at 1:49 pm

You are an idiot. Yeah, we need to reduce the number of Generals and Senior Executive Service, but your arguments are off base. Work on it!

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VetandCiv January 3, 2013 at 9:45 pm

I agree with Mr. Reality you need to get a clue! If you think a military retiree with a family can live on a retirement check you haven’t done your research well! Contrary to what you think, not all of us make it into the federal system – I’m just blessed to be one that did! There are many areas that need improvement throughout the systems (military and civilian) but the comment “stay retired” and snubbing a veteran to give “someone else” a chance to get a federal job? you’re kidding me. Who else deserves that opportunity more than a veteran that has sacrificed, been in harms way, weathered extreme family difficulties, physical and mental bruises to serve their country with honor and integrity! Wow!

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Proud Civ January 10, 2013 at 5:06 pm

I agree with VetandCiv, to a certain extent. Why should a Veteran be moved to the top of the list just because they are a Veteran? If you don’t have the KSAs to perform a job, you shouldn’t get it. Mr. GS Grade Reductions should’ve did his research before he made a comment.

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Mike January 15, 2013 at 9:08 pm

Wow what a ignorant comment posted by GS Grade Reductions… Let’s penalize the folks who busted their tails to get to the GS13-15 Executive level. I currently stand at a GS-6 Step 3. looking to make GS-7 this year and complete some schooling so I can apply for gobs in the GS-9-11 Analyzing range. My brother is equivalent to a GS 13-step 5 currently. He’s also a former Intelligence Officer in the Army and worked hard to be where he’s at, much harder than me and he deserves everyting he had and thats coming. To address the retired already from the military statement and lets others get a chance is just plain dumb. My dad is a 20 year retired E8-MSG. Has been since 93. I was 13 at the time.. Their’s a 0% chance my dad would have been able to retire in his 40′s and live off that. Instead he just put another 15 years or so with the USPS and finally just officialy retired last month. Now with SS, 2 pensions he felt comfotable enough to retire. Veterans Preference is just how it is.. it’s a small perk you get for serving our country when it comes time to gain employment into the Fed Govt. system. Even with it ,it’s tough but it sure as heck doesnt hurt.

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JOJO March 11, 2013 at 6:40 pm

I believe you should have Veterans preferance for putting your life for freedom and liberty of Our Great Country. If you haven’t served in the military it’s a no brainer Unless its’s a specialized field such as Doctors, Attorneys etc. you should’nt even be considered.

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Kerry Stewart February 15, 2013 at 9:23 pm

Veteran’s perference does not move a veteran to the top of the list unless a Veteran meets the qualifications and KSAs for the job. If the Veteran meets the initial qualifications, the Veterans points are added to his score.

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Lisa January 14, 2013 at 9:03 pm

Well said, I only have one disagreement. If you push the people out with 20 unable to attain the next rank, this will force people out that are not of the “good old boy” club because those will then be the only ons getting promoted to that “next rank.” The system is so screwed up someone who knows the system and cares would have to fix it.

I may be wrong, but I’ll assume you are not a retired military that is now a higher GS level. I only say this because if you were you might have a different opinion, I don’t see a retired military guy at GS-15 saying take my position away :)

Anyway, I do know both the federal and military system to some level and will say this. Many federal law enforcement agencies (uniformed not special agent types), hire people that turn these agencies into their own piggy back. Let me explain. If you look at agencies like the Uniformed Division Secret Service, United States Park Police (just to name two of the many), they will hire some retired Secret Service Agent, or some other retired cop, and they will get in as the Chief of that agency, Once in they will hire all of their friends and sometimes create positions (in the case with the United States Park Police) at salaries of over 150,000 yearly.

If you’re good at research and care to do it, you will find this is all fact. Start there and you’ll see millions maybe billions saved annually. I find that people that specifically target the military and federal workers (even though I’ll admit many salaries are ridiculous and unearned. Many, not all), are usually people that are/were working in the civilian sector, and when things were great they could care less about military and feds. Once things got bad it’s all about save the world by cutting feds and military. Do the research and target the appropriate specific areas and you’ll get further than if you just spray and pray :) You got teh right idea though.

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Deploying GS January 15, 2013 at 5:36 pm

Have you really read your own argument about reducing General Officers? The idea of reducing Flag and General officer numbers is great but your analysis of the numbers is clearly pulled out of the dark with no thought at all. And what about all the E-9s that do nothing? You don’t think we are real heavy there too? Let me guess you are one of those people that think that NCOs do all the work and officers drink coffee. Wake up!

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AC January 2, 2013 at 6:18 pm

FIRST OF ALL I LOVE MY JOB. I’M GOOD AT WHAT I DO AND WORK HARD DOING IT. BUT IT’S NOT EASY WORKING EVERY DAY AND NOT SEEING A RAISE, YET COST OF LIVING IS GOING UP. I REALLY PRAY GS WILL GET A RAISE SOON……

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MH January 2, 2013 at 7:41 am

The laws of economics are simple, the best and the brightest will go where they can make the best living. The GS pay freeze for the third year running will continue to cause the best of the federal workforce to enter the private workforce. Most of the federal workforce believe in their country and something greater than the almighty dollar, however, they also understand that as the annual inflation rate continues at 3-5% they have in effect taken a 9-15 percent pay cut while medical and dental premiums have skyrocketed compounding their purchasing power parity problem.
The federal government claims they want to retain the best and the brightest, yet the simplest actions of pay cuts, medical and dental premium increases, and other benefit and entitlement decreases are forcing the best to seek other opportunities. Soon enough we will see all Government offices operating like local Department of Motor Vehicles (has anyone really had a good experience with one in decades) or like the post-Vietnam Era Veterans Hospitals.

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The ComicPro June 6, 2013 at 9:00 pm

Great,sensible comment. Well said. The slackers will stay and the mobile and disgusted will move on. Coming from the private sector 8 years ago I thought the Government had erased the stigma of not wanting the best and brightest but just a body! Someone who would be the bureacrat and keep the cog clogged with inefficiency. I work in Acquisition for the Air Force and I see waste at its finest DAILY! I could save MILLIONS just canceling one program that has outdated technology that no one wants yet gives the contractor MILLIONS anually!

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jbs January 1, 2013 at 11:08 pm

High over paid Government workers need to not get the raises and the Wage grades should aways get one.We rely on these small increases.Iam in the trades that operate these building 24/7 through holidays,weekends rotating shifts and this past year our shop with ssa has been through so much realignment and stress that our jobs could be gone tomorrow and everyone is on edge.Our work force has been cut through deaths,retirees and just guys who find better jobs in some cases.With this reduction there has not been any rehiring in my shop.I have been a Wage Grade government worker who actually works for the past 16 years and i’m to old to find another job with alittle more than half way through my so called career to loose our jobs at this time will be devastating.Think of stopping waste.

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TMP January 3, 2013 at 4:34 am

What is a high overpaid government worker? You dont honestly think that only WG’s should be the only ones getting a raise do you?…thats just funny… I am in the IT field, GS11, If the government really wants to keep the best IT people for our fighting force then they need to keep up with the private sector. We have also not been hiring when others have left, we are now at 50% what we were from last year, and on top of losing people we are asked to do more and more. Most of us are stressed from over work and not getting any pay raises. As a result quality has decreased. I could go to the private sector and make 10-20 k more, but I already have 13+ years in government service(including active duty army). I am hoping that eventually they will give us raises to keep up with inflation.

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jbs January 1, 2013 at 10:52 pm

Im tired of people all over the country who think of just the big money government workers and raises.Im a wage grade scale government worker and a middle class that hasn’t had a raise in more than two years. This hurts us as a wg wage grades government workers.Wage Grades do not get the money that a GS gets.

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TMP January 3, 2013 at 4:35 am

Im guessing that we have a more marketable skill.

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Proud Civ January 10, 2013 at 5:09 pm

jbs, are you kidding me? I was a Wage Grade worker and last time I checked, they get paid more than GS. Go sit in the corner and think about what you said and come back once you’ve done your research. Because last time I checked, I work hard and earn every penny + some in my paycheck.

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CD123 December 28, 2012 at 3:36 pm

I have been a fed employee going on 3 years now. My husband for 6 years. Unfortunately, it did not pay as well as being a contractor within the same office, and gave me a HUGE paycut, but it also gave me security. I, too, often complain when I see the cost of living increase while our paychecks do not. Although I have received a promotion twice since being a fed employee, I am still hurting. Maybe we have become spoiled with pay increases in previous years (when Bush was in office)………however, the pay freeze for the past 2 years didn’t exactly get us out debt free as a nation, but the effort helped a bit- I suppose. My issue is- am I ungrateful???- NO I am not. HOWEVER….with the cost of living going up at the drop of a dime and paychecks staying the same for what’s going on 3 years now………….I mean lets face it, .5% increase barely puts 2 weeks worth of groceries on the table, and we only have 2 GOING ON 3 children, which is even more scarier with the cost of weekly daycare for an infant that we have to look forward to!!!!! SOMETHINGS GOTTA GIVE……………and sacrificing our salaries is NOT the full answer!!!!!!!! THAT IS ALL!!!!!!!!!!

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'FED' UP January 3, 2013 at 5:18 pm

Actually I did the math…not sure how many of you have. For me personally, a supposed .5% pay increase would mean approximately $11 more in my pocket every pay period. Seriously? No raises in two years, and then this? How many people in America would stay at their jobs if they had to go 2+ years without a raise? I doubt very many.

I too took a substantial cut in pay when I accepted a GS position. Now after two years in the GS system, not only am I financially behind where I was two years ago, 2013 has brought pay cuts amounting to $170 less in each pay check. Tell me this is fair and ‘across the board’. I am all for ‘every American’ having to do their part to help the nation reduce our debt avalanche. I just don’t think the pain is being equally shared by all.

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'FED' UP January 3, 2013 at 5:21 pm

Correction. The $170 less per paycheck in 2013 has not resulted from additional ‘cuts’…it’s the result of the increase in Social Security tax from 4.2% to 6.2% as well as other tax changes I’m affected by.

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WHATEVER January 15, 2013 at 3:50 am

Do you really have much to complain about? For those of us that can do the math, 2% increase in OASDI = $170 less per paycheck for you, which means you’re still pulling in a nice comfortable six figure salary. Find something else to complain about bud.

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I Can Do Math January 25, 2013 at 7:38 pm

Six figures?!? I’m not sure what parallel world you live in but the math in MY world, where .5% equals approximately $11 a pay period means ‘FED’ UP is perhaps a GS-11 Step 4-5, which equates to about $57,000+ annually. Hardly a six figure salary. Add a family into the mix with rising health care costs, a mortgage, and annual inflation and most are just getting by.

No one’s asking for more than their fair share. We’re simply asking that our raises match the ever-increasing demands of the economy.

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CK April 11, 2013 at 3:04 pm

You are so right ‘Fed’ Up…I am a GS 6 Step 2…just got my step 2 this January…and I make less now than I did in December due to the healthcare and SS increases. I have never been so behind in my life with the bills! I am grateful for my job, but on the other hand….wonder if it was worth the wait. It took me 7 years to get into the GS system after serving 14 years in the Air Force. I live pay check to pay check now and it is not a great feeling.

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GS Worker December 28, 2012 at 3:14 pm

@Jim,

I disagree and agree with your statement. I work for the government, and I have seen those people who feel they should get promoted just because they have been on the job for a certain number of years. However, there are some of us who chase after the promotion, do everything we should, to only get slapped in the face by the good ol’ boy system. I have 2 Master’s degrees, I am bilingual, for each year I have been in the government I have received the highest ratings on all my evaluation, and I have won employee of the year and have received several other awards. I still can’t get promoted. Would someone please explain that.

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FrankyT December 28, 2012 at 3:42 pm

Well if your qualifications are perfect then clearly it is your relationship and people skills that are holding you back from getting into management. I would suggest a 180 review from your peers and managers to see if you have the required skills to get promoted. In any type of work its not book smarts that gets you head, it’s about being work and politically savvy and relationship management/empathy is key.

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Anonymous January 3, 2013 at 5:09 am

Sometimes a person who is excellent at their job in a non-management position has a harder time getting promoted because the current management doesn’t want to lose this skill. It’s not always fair but the “screw up, move up” policy seems to give an unfair advantage in this kind of case, especially with the government.

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Gabe the GS January 2, 2013 at 12:27 am

Jim,

If you feel you are being mistreated by the Good Ol Boy system, then file a complaint. If you are correct, the Good Ol Boy system would not matter and policy will give you the position because the CHRO will be the ones reviewing the complaint. If you are wrong, then you will have to accept the fact that you were not hired.

R,

-G

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John January 2, 2013 at 7:49 pm

Then quit your government job and compete for a position in the private sector. I’m sure you’ll do much better.

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Doug December 27, 2012 at 8:02 pm

@Jim,

Your blanket statement about ” I suspect the reason MOST are stuck is because they’re not willing to put the time and effort into getting promoted in their current job or into applying for others and have become indignant. Once someone gets to the point of entitlement they will cease to achieve on merit and I believe having a sense of entitlement is the crux of the negative civil servant reputation.”

Although your second paragraph above is true, there is something to be said about “loyalty” and enjoying the organization and people you work with, so chasing higher pay grades is not necessarily always the best option in some cases, take me for example:

I retired from the USMC after 30 years and was fortunate enough to get picked up as a GS-12 in same organization I retired from and have no desire to move up, out or over just because of higher pay. Good people, a good organization and being around my brethren is what I desire although I do understand those that need to make more money, especially living in a high cost of living state like Hawaii.

Anyway, just my two cents!

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Trudy Crowe December 27, 2012 at 8:01 pm

I have been a federal employee for 18 years. I enjoy my job and I work hard at what I do. But, just like the rest of the country my expenses have continued to increase and my pay has not. I have 3 children, pay taxes, live on a tight budget, and thank God that I am fortunate to be employed. However, just because I do work for the government does not mean I do not deserve a pay increase.

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Doug Thurston December 27, 2012 at 7:57 pm

@Jim,

Your blanket statement about ” I suspect the reason MOST are stuck is because they’re not willing to put the time and effort into getting promoted in their current job or into applying for others and have become indignant. Once someone gets to the point of entitlement they will cease to achieve on merit and I believe having a sense of entitlement is the crux of the negative civil servant reputation.”

Although your second paragraph above is true, there is someting to be said about “loyalty” and enjoying the organization and people you work with, so chasing higher pay grades is not necessarily always the best option in some cases, take me for example:

I retired from the USMC after 30 years and was fortunate enough to get picked up as a GS-12 in same organization I retired from and have no desire to move up, out or over just because of higher pay. Good people, a good organization and being around my brethren is what I desire although I do understnad those that need to make more money, especially living in a high cost of living state like Hawaii.

Anyway, just my two cents!

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anon December 27, 2012 at 5:34 am

My husband is a gs-12, he started at 22 as one. We are grateful for every paycheck and the job security. I work in the medical field and have friends in the private sector and there, there is no job security. That is priceless. I would love to get a govt job but it is hard to get in, and what I do is limited to VA locations. In his field he hit a ceiling as a 12, has been with them for 11 years. His only option is management but there are no openings and haven’t been until someone retires. In the private sector he could be making atleast 125,000 with his computer skills/forensics/hacking but there are only a few govt locations that do this in his branch. We do not want to uproot our family to move. For him to take a gs-13/14 elsewhere, he would lose money since Chicago is one of the highest local-pay areas. So to say it is your fault for not moving up is BS, he has many awards etc., but you have to wait for a position to open first. Plus when you look at all the benefits and retirement, days off, and matching they do (if you are using it an taking advantage of it) private sector comes pretty close. Job security is pricesless and I just hear ungrateful people complaining. Be glad you have a job, with security.

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Lost In GS System December 25, 2012 at 4:50 am

All this talk about being stuck in a position is just that talk. The reality is this. I came into a GS5 position with a Veterans Preference and a Masters Degree. Now I can’t make 6, until I do a years as a 5. Can’t make 7 till I do a year as a 6, and can’t make 9 until I do a year as a 7. etc etc. So I am basicaly stuck in place for 3 years, watching the overpromoted and less competent making more money simply because I dont qualify based on years not education, experience or ability. Time and effort dont mean a thing when they have have you by the years.

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Word of Advice December 28, 2012 at 1:39 pm

You can apply for up to a GS-9 with a Master’s Degree, which means you are not stuck if you can find a job at a 9 level that you qualify for–regardless of your time in grade. Just wanted to put that out there to you!!!! I just had a friend go from a 5 to a 9 this week. Also, when you are that low on the scale, you can skip 2 paygrades which means you do not have to go from a 5 to a 6 then to a 7. I went from 7 to an 11 in 2.5 years. I would consult with HR if I were you or you will be lost in the GS System…FOREVER!!!

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Gabe the GS January 2, 2013 at 12:42 am

So much for your master’s degree…LOL!

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Rhonda April 16, 2013 at 5:31 pm

What area/state do you and your friend live in? Your advice to Lost was great; don’t know why they didn’t know that information.

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Micah September 27, 2014 at 10:47 pm

Well, this post is old a lot has happened since then. I think all government agencies are trying to save money buy hiring lower than they did before. Years ago I was offered a GS-9 step 3 by one agency because of my graduate education. Now, I took a GS-5 with veterans preference and a Masters degree. HR is more inclined to say your experience and education is unrelated to the job, no matter how simple the job may be.

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Joe December 21, 2012 at 4:25 am

As I can see it for the past couple of years people been dwindling away away and I stayed with this organizatons as the bottom of the GS pay grade as a 4 step 3. Just recently I’ve been given a promotion without the expectation of me being in the Reserves or Guard Status. Now I come to determined as much of what the following opinions subscribe and I don’t blame you or no one else its a way of letting off your concerns not only for your self but for the others in the federal working GS system per say. I completely know how you feel, with a family and going from paycut is substancially a factor in realizing your own means of what is left. Todays World my father said it, ” you cannot do it by your self.” Those words stuck with me so much that I put my significant other thru the working life stress which is not wrong but sometimes can be just as stressful. Without going into to much more detail, if you will, I will leave you with this and I will try to live by it. As long as I breath, I have life. As long as I have life. I am grateful.

Now I’m trying to be professional so don’t let me get ugly LOL

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Jim November 30, 2012 at 6:13 pm

All of this is kind of funny.

I am a fed, my parents retired as feds, even my grandmother was a fed. I served in the military for 3 years, got out, received my degree and headed into my fed career. I never saw my life any other way.

I started as a GS-3 Student Co-op in college, spent a year as a contractor after school and have since been hired on full-time and have been promoted up to a GS-14 in the past 11 years with the same organization.

I say all of this just to point out that if you are truly stuck in a GS-11 or 12 position with that many years and the education necessary to move up it is your own fault for being stuck. Look around, there are lots of opportunities out there. I suspect the reason MOST are stuck is because they’re not willing to put the time and effort into getting promoted in their current job or into applying for others. And have become indignant.

Once someone gets to the point of entitlement they will cease to achieve on merit. And I believe having a sense of entitlement is the crux of the negative civil servant reputation.
Anyway, my two cents.

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Gail December 8, 2012 at 5:22 pm

Hear, hear Jim. Some good ol’ American common sense. This is what made our country great and sadly this lesson is being forgot by our recent generations who expect everything now and without effort.

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Josh December 17, 2012 at 2:56 pm

It is always quite funny to hear these kinds of comments, but many people fail to realize that the work ethic of the current generations is solely based on the previous generations teaching practices. So if you believe that current generation are lazy and want things without effort, it is because your generation taught them that.

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Mike December 10, 2012 at 4:56 pm

As un-PC as it is, I agree with you 100%, Jim. I’ve observed these very same traits — sense of entitlement to be promoted soley based on years of service instead of merit — from individuals inside my agency.

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John December 15, 2012 at 8:05 pm

I suspect you are supervisor or executive anyway or you wouldn’t be blowing your own horn about what you have done you sound and act like you done something special you haven’t a great deal of us have a higher education being bless to have work for the Goverment but i remember when people who didn’t want Gov jobs they thought they were better off in the civilain work force if you don’t wnat increase a wages fine don’t take it (but your hand will be out when they do start again) so don’t knock the rest of the federal workers for wanting what law makers are getting (more money for doing nothing ) at least we work for it and why should we have to keep taking care of the rest of the US while they’er friends get away with not paying thier fare share of taxes Rep party started this and they souldn’t be getting paid for doing nothing
and pay for their own medical insurance like the rest of the federal works and i’ a Vet also .

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TI November 29, 2012 at 4:13 pm

I believe it is misleading when the government comes out with an average anaual salary that is equivalent or close to a GS-11 pay w/ locality in San Diego. In my opinion those numbers ive seen ($77,000/ $66,000 etc.) are a bias figure to persuade a freeze. With a realistic number based from entry level to senior level pay grades such as the average of GS-1~GS-5 entry level GS-6~GS-10 mid and GS-11~GS15 senior pay would be much more ideal and probably acceptable for those in the three pay category. Ofcourse pay grades in GS11 and above would bring the average an federal employee will make compared to the lower pay grades. Also, since i have been around i a have not seen anyone fulltime in paygrarde lower than a GS-4 im sure there is. I do agree and disagree with the comments i have read but cutting spending of the individual is best. Employees know what income is so planning accordingly to live within that is their choice. As others have mentioned, working your way up the ladder and with years behind you is pretty much the way to achieve a higher pay grade. Once you have done all you can to the full extent, there will be light at the end. I was active duty in the navy 8 years and currently a federal employee for about 32month at a GS7 pay grade. Its not much after TSP, FEHB, TAXES and other deductions but i am managing with my wife(does not work) in San Diego. Its tough but i have a positive outlook in the future and know what i am capable of. The take home is about half of what i made when active duty as E-5. so compared to the military, its a pay cut unless ofcourse your are recieving retirement pension and have a disability rating. Other employees within the office i work at all would tell me i should of done 20 years, so the pay wouldnt look bad. But i was able to attend college, earn a BS degree and start government sercive as a civilian with possible growth. We all dont have to live a lavish life, aceepting reality and making the best of it is what i can say now.

thanks

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TGMc November 26, 2012 at 5:42 am

Back in the late ’70s I was up and coming up
thru the GS lower grades. I had freshly attended some retirement classes. That was way too off in the future for me to consider seriously then. But 1 of the evaluation questions was what I thought of the pay system. I answered that I didn’t like that everyone got a percentage increase of the salery they were earning then. I went up thru the grades and am retired now. I still don’t like the percentage thing!
A lower GS employee gets enough for a weekend get away (or used to be able to). The high GS employee gets enough to take a whole family on a 2 week vacation. That’s just not right. The gap between them is ever widening!
At the bottom of the artical was a statement about the average employee gets about $500 for the year, about $20 a paycheck. Well my thought back then as well as now is that if someone can figure out what the average salary is of all the employees let’s get all the employees that $500, or $650, or even double it to $1,000 for each and every GS-1 through GS-15! Do this for many years until the low GS employees can get up to above the Minimum Living Wage!

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Bert November 10, 2012 at 3:27 pm

I have read this entire page of comments. It seems there are actual facts and a lot is speculation. I have 14 years of government service. I started as a GS-6. I got a mentor and took every educational opportunity that I could find. I have worked hard and made my way to a GS-11. I didn’t know anyone at the VA where I got my 9 or 11. My opinion is is you work hard and make positive choice about your career you will do well. It is not always who you know. I believe our service men and women are entitled to a COLA before civilian workers. I also believe the pay freeze is not the answer to our bucket deficit. I would love a COLA, but if I don’t get one I will continue to work hard and try for my 12. As government employees we may not get all the extras the private sector has but we also don’t get the lay-off and pay cuts (outside of health insurance premiums). We still get a pension. I would much rather serve our Vetersns at a lower pay than work in the private sector. If you are not happy with your situation chance it. Will a COLA really change your life all that much?

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TDW November 19, 2012 at 5:22 pm

AMEN BRO!

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Gail November 20, 2012 at 8:35 pm

Bert – That is the best summary I have found on dealing with this issue. Take your future into your own hands and don’t rely on the “system” to make your choices for you. Proud to have people like you in the government.

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sab17 November 29, 2012 at 4:18 pm

I agree.

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William Harris November 5, 2012 at 1:09 am

It’s a shame how our Government is all about big companies and big corporations making big profits and in a scheme to put so many once middle class income into the poverty or almost poverty income range. Reason is say that: The real cost of living on everything we need in life goes up about 5% every year. The Government can tell you anything they want to about the cost of living increases they give out, but in the last three years we are only averaging about 1% each year. I know the cost of living is going up more than that. Insurance alone eats up about all that. Food is going up, the cost of dental care is going up and a thousand other things are going up. It’s a shame what they have been doing to Government workers, retired people and disabled people. I know I have gone in a hole over the last 3 years.

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poni January 8, 2013 at 9:26 pm

grow up Bill you are “such a victim” yeah it’s everyone else who causes your problems the rich, big business, price fixing retired people government workers the cosmos bleh bleh bleh. jeez

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Kate October 25, 2012 at 11:10 am

The pay freeze over the last 2 years has saved the government billions. The government service workers have assisted the government enough. If we want to save the middle class like both parties are saying, then start with your own employees. The gs workers are not the savior for the budget crisis.

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sab17 November 29, 2012 at 4:17 pm

AMEN!!!

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Corky October 24, 2012 at 8:30 pm

I may be a GS 11 but 2013 will be the third year I have taken a pay cut despite getting two “promotions”. The cost of my healthcare premium has gone up over $100 a paycheck in the last two years and is scheuled to go up over $70 a paycheckagain this year. I also make less than other people in my profession in the same city. My husband works in the private sector and has not gotten a raise in over five years and is not able to get health insurance. So don’t tell me I am any better off than the private sector. Fedreal employees, not Lawmakers, need to get raises. People go where the money is, the ones that are good at their jobs find it. Lose the good employees and the federal employees will start becoming the sterotypes intead of cogs in a streamlined system that we have become.

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Jeremiah October 9, 2012 at 5:44 pm

My only gripe about the pay freeze is that we are not providing COLAs to the folks who work but we are providing them to those who don’t in the form of increased Social Security increased food stamps, increased TANF ect. If the state and federal governments need to freeze pay inorder to close the defict then they need to freeze all pay… earned, entitled, and welfare.

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Lisa Durant October 4, 2012 at 6:17 pm

The common governement worker is getting a pay cut for year 3 now!! We were a 2 government income family. i left the government to earn a higher salary as we could not afford to both work government jobs any longer!! Give pay raises to the lower GS employees, they are hurting bad!!! I am sure the the Health insurance will get their increase! I think the governement raises should be directly tied to the healthcare cost increase. Employees get 0 increase then so so the insurance companies. Fair is fair, the cost of doing business goes up in private households just the same as a business. If we are expected to make due on less then so should the Federal Health insurers!!!

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Rik October 2, 2012 at 3:37 pm

I am in HR and many people are still trying to get a federal job. Even without the pay raises it is more secure than being employed in the private sector. As previously stated, either make changes to get promoted or leave the federal government. There are many people still trying to get a civil service job and too many civil service employees complaining. Live is good!

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KGraham November 1, 2012 at 10:20 pm

Of course there are people looking for government jobs just as there are people looking for minimum wage jobs. Those of us that have invested most of our lives to government service cannot start over in the private sector. Extending our retirement ages past our life expectencies isnt an option and everyone in DC above our paygrades know we can’t physically and now even financially. I’ve given most of my life to government service on active duty and in civil service and just don’t have enough years of life left to start over.
We all know It’s not the salaries that are the problem, it’s the rules the House and Senate created on how the rest of the Federal budget is spent. There is the fraud waste and abuse. Sure we spend a lot of money or equipment and supplies but since it’s usually obsolete or close to it, we are always close to having to replace what we just purchased and the next purchase will be for the next thing to become obsolete.

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Matt December 17, 2012 at 2:05 pm

This is a very primitive suggestion. Yes, you can replace a person, but you cannot replace the knowledge that this person has. Do you think that someone who spends many years as a reviewer dealing with drug approval can be easily replaced? Government should value employees (chemists, biologists, doctors, etc.) and their knowledge.

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rob September 28, 2012 at 12:53 pm

Be grateful – yes
Stop complaining – yes
The only way to make things better is to write ALL your state representatives and attempt to sway their vote.

or

Be very very proactive, continuously attend school (plenty of grant $$$ if you really need it), keep your resume updated, and apply for every job you’re qualified to hold. Posture yourself to move to the job not wait for the job come to you.

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Stephanie September 24, 2012 at 8:22 pm

Sorry Vic but I don’t feel I am overpaid for what I do. I work hard for the money I make. First, I think it is a shame that there are federal employees who qualify for food stamps. Second, the pay freeze wouldn’t be so bad if they weren’t continuing to raise our Health Insurance Premiums. That turns into a pay cut and most people aren’t prepared for a cut in pay.

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Preshusmika November 15, 2012 at 4:22 pm

I agree with you Stephanie those healthcare premiums are a killer. So even if we get a cost of living increase you won’t see it anyway because healthcare premiums go up every year.

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A GS worker September 17, 2012 at 4:21 pm

Cost of living has gone up and the Government is aware of it, Why place GS workers cost of living raises on hold, that is killing the economy as well. Most of us already live on a tight budget so rising cost and same salary does not allow us to help the economy with spending more money. I think the concentration is on the wrong group of people in the Govenment system.

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Connie September 13, 2012 at 4:05 pm

I am a GS 5 and can barely make it paycheck to paycheck. Gas, groceries, insurance are going up every day. We need to cut congress and the presidents salary. The president and first lady take elaborant vacations and have more security than other presidents. All government workers do not make $100,00. I don’t know here he got that figure, maybe it Washington. Government employees support the troups every day and work long hours to make sure the soldiers have what they need to protect out country. It apparently is a thankless job according to Congress and the President.

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vic September 7, 2012 at 7:34 pm

to ALL….Be grateful you have a job and stop complaining, you’re probably getting overpaid for what you do as is!!!!

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jacqueline November 1, 2012 at 5:50 pm

vic you don”t work do you

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JOJO March 11, 2013 at 7:31 pm

VIC YOU ARE AN IDIOT ! YOU CAN’T READ WHAT’S BEING PUT OUT IN THESE MESSAGES. YOU MUST LIVE IN A CARDBOARD BOX GOVERNMENT WORKERS ARE NOT OVERPAID DA.

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Jaime August 29, 2012 at 8:16 pm

Hey guys, we’re all in this together. United we stand! Last two years with no increase was tough for all GS employees (GS1-GS-13) Let’s not bark on each other and direct our attention to the administration.
Just my 2 cents.

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Mark August 17, 2012 at 8:56 pm

I would like to start with applauding Roo. Thank you for your honest response. Remember the civil service was created after WWII for those veterans leaving the service in need of employment. America is the greatest country in the world. If you are not happy with what you do or how much you make. Do something to change. Complaining about others because they make more then another is pure “immaturity.” I am blessed after retiring from the military, seven years ago, to be back working for the government. There are no free handouts and if congress does not pass the budget with a cost of living increase for us, then it is my responsibility to see where I can cut back in my household of four teenagers and a six year old. The bottom line is simple, if you are not happy with where you are in life, make some changes….

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Sysco August 26, 2012 at 5:04 am

yeah Mark and meanwhile congress keeps giving themselves raises…. not cool

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Mike September 18, 2012 at 9:39 pm

…and the military…

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Gary October 18, 2012 at 2:27 pm

Mike, I’m gonna take a stab at saying you were never in the military. If you were, you would be aware of my following sentences.
First lets clarify that the miltary does not provide them selves with pay raises, They have to earn promotions, educate them selves for promotions, and they recieve COLA though congressional appropriations just like the Civillain workforce.
Second; The Military puts their life on the line, and unlike you or any other civillian worker, they cant just quit and walk away when it gets tough (war)…… They deserve any pay increase that comes their way.

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jacqueline November 1, 2012 at 5:49 pm

way to go gary..as musch as I need and want a pay raise the military SHOULD come 1st, special in there pay

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Elizabeth November 9, 2012 at 11:31 pm

I agree, Gary. Active Duty and their raises should not be an issue for anyone since they signed their lives on the line for this country. I’m a Navy veteran and am completly behind all of my brothers and sisters that carry on where I left off at. So, their pay should never be an issue to anyone.

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JOJO March 11, 2013 at 7:36 pm

We are CIVIL SERVANTS. If it wasn’t for the armed forces we would not be doing what we do. our military deserves the money and our respect.

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joe veena December 5, 2012 at 8:53 pm

But why the special treatment? they knew what they were getting themselves into. Fair and equitable treatment for all. If they get raises (inlcuding Congress) civil workers should too.

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Jake December 22, 2012 at 6:11 pm

joe veena – “Fair and equitable treatment for all.” Really? I believe that is what would be called communism. The beauty of the country is that we don’t have to do that. We all get the opportunities that we choose to take. Understand the word choices. All of your choices are what make the difference in your life. If you were someone who was outperforming your co-workers then you would not be up for “fair and equitable”. It’s not fair and equitable for the people who are doing the lion’s share of the work for those who still want their pay and benifits. Doesn’t sound fair and equitable to me…

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Sysco August 6, 2012 at 8:24 am

Is it true that the pay freeze for the last two years is only for GS-8 and below?

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Mike August 26, 2012 at 2:24 pm

No, it is false.

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Don July 31, 2012 at 3:59 am

All you GS cry about your page and the FWS has it worst than you do. Only 5 steps and no COLA at all…. try living on that.

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Joe July 27, 2012 at 8:42 pm

No kidding, I just made GS-11 after 15 years of civilian service (10 years active prior to that) I can attest that there are not thousand or hundreds left on the table after paying for necessities. Cost of living is increasing every year while our pay is not. I welcome the .5% since it’s better than nothing.

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Roo July 18, 2012 at 7:33 pm

I’m a GS-4 working at the National Archives, and I think that a raise is not wise. Keep the defecit at what it is, and don’t put additional burdens on the federal budget. $14.59 is plenty for now.

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JOJO March 11, 2013 at 7:41 pm

I’m wiling to bet you won’t say that if the furlough happens and you lose another 16 hours per pay period.

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Ironman July 17, 2012 at 1:13 am

Cut GS-11, 12,13, etc?! That’s typical class envy for you. I could go for targeted colas and that isn’t the answer either, but some of us with say 20 years that are GS-11s didn’t just get here overnight. No respect for tenure! I started out as a WG-11 in one of the lowest payscale areas in the country and got lucky to be upgraded some years back. Like someone above said, get your degree or experience and put in for those “rich” higher paying jobs.

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Elizabeth November 9, 2012 at 11:26 pm

What about those that have Bachelors and Masters Degrees? And are Veterans? Everyone has to crawl before they walk. That’s understood. In this day and time, your degrees don’t even matter. If you don’t know someone that can help you get a higher position, then you probably won’t get the position. It’s so sad, but that is what is going on here at my Naval base and at my local VA. It’s all in who you know. I am a veteran that served 10 years active duty Navy, that has since gotten a Bachelor of Science in Healthcare Administration. I still can not get a job here in the hospital at NAS Jax nor at the VA in Jacksonville or Gainesville, Fl. Many of the people that are holding those higher paying jobs are people that were never even in the military. Now, I can not speak for any place else. But, in my area, that is what I am seeing. When I got my GS position it was because they were only hiring veterans at that time. So, that is the only reason that I finally got in after years of trying. But, I had to except a GS 4 which is no money at all. But, I did what I had to do to get in the system. I have been DOD for one year and two months now. I have an interview with the VA in Gainesville, Fl next week and that will be a GS 6 position. I was able to use my VRA status when I applied. I will keep applying until I am where I want to be. I think we all have our struggles right now and we ALL need COLA. But, I don’t think people are not getting higher paying GS jobs because they are not educated or even because they haven’t done twenty years. I think it’s just all in who you know and that is really sad when you have qualified people that can’t get into these higher paying positions.

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Marc June 19, 2012 at 11:22 pm

I am a GS-5 working armed security guarding highly sensitive materials for our government but I can barely make it day to day. Insurance premiums, gas, food, and taxes are constantly going up; I NEED A COST OF LIVING RAISE.

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drscrm June 7, 2012 at 11:32 pm

I really needs to be 5% since we lost so much for the last two years. Why not cut those GS 11, 12, 13, & 14s they are in the 3-4 thousands take home pay after taxes. Those at GS 1-9 can barely bring home hundreds after taxes.

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amjac June 23, 2012 at 12:23 pm

Hey drscrm – I can tell you it has taken me 18 years to get to GS-12, lets not knock the people that are in these positions… do your time, get your degree, and APPLY for a higher position. The two years without any increase affects us as well, not as much as the 1-9′s, but we take the brunt just like you all. Good luck!

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sab17 June 27, 2012 at 4:24 pm

I totally agree with amjac. I am coming up on the 18 year mark and still don’t have the GS-12 and I have attended school and received my degree. It’s not about that but depending on where you work there is a better chance. Some people who have put in 20 plus years and barely got the 12 before retirement or are still working because they can’t afford to retire. Each persons situation is different too. Some 11, 12, 13 and so on may be the only bread winner in the house with children with a mortgage so that money doesn’t go any further for them. We have all been hit. We all need a raise congress should take a look at other programs to cut.

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Los Gordon July 18, 2012 at 7:07 pm

Why stop at GS 14s why not go out to GS 15s and SES’

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NON GS Fed Civi November 29, 2012 at 2:16 pm

I dont know where you got your info but GS 11 does not bring home $3,000 to $4,000 after taxes! My wife is GS 11 and she doesn’t even bring home $2,000 after taxes!

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